Thursday, October 11, 2012

Quarterback Rankings

This post is basically just my rankings of some QBs and if they had a better season than I thought they would have.  These were originally made in the offseason....  And then I did some quick editing in the preseason, and was going to post it, but didn't get around to it..  So here is my messed-up list of QB rankings in the NFL.  Idk, if I will update next year or not..  But, I would really like a more accurate listing, so I might get around to it..

I first give some brief comments about the QB, then I say how much (in my view) they went up or down that year, and if they will go up or down this year.   And a / simply means no real change.

I dislike people tossing around 'elite', and not actually defining what they mean by it..  Experts like to give so many QB's the 'elite' status, so there are probably at least 10 QB's who are 'elite'.  So I decided to do some QB rankings, and also define my definition of elite..  Though even my definition of 'elite' isn't a set-in-stone standard, because I could be convinced to add a QB or two into 'elite'.

Elite
1 Aaron Rodgers At times last season, Aaron Rodgers, like Drew Brees, put up video-game like numbers.  And, in some ways, Rodgers might have had the best regular season a QB has ever had + 5.  More struggles than last year, but holds on to #1.

2 Tom Brady He’s been to 5 SBs and won 3 of them in the last ten years, and he’s still near the top of his game.  Maybe up one, and I'll say down 1 or two this year.

3 Drew Brees  If being an elite QB was only based on Super Bowls, then like Peyton Manning, Brees doesn’t have the rings to ‘prove’ he’s an elite qb.  However, year-in and year-out he has put up outstanding numbers, and for the last few years has kept NO at or near the top /.  Hold.


Peyton Manning He admittedly has not led Indy to multiple SB rings unlike Brady, however, I believe the talent around him is quite a bit worse then in NE.  As partially evidenced by this -- Brady gets injured his team goes 11-5, Manning gets injured his team (albeit, possibly a tanking team) goes 2-14 – and I think that if Manning had started in NE and Brady in Indy, then Manning would have more SB’s then Brady.  Not applicable +- for last year (based on my expectations), and I'll say -3 for his standards this year.

On the Verge of Being Elite
5 Matt Schaub If he had been healthy, I believe that the Texans would have been in the SB playing the Giants, and it would have been a toss-up game.  He doesn’t have the playoff appearances (much less wins) to validate this spot, but I think his consistency and numbers over the the last couple years has validated it, up 2.  Hold.

6 Eli Manning He now has one more SB win then his brother, and while I still don’t think he’s quite on the level of his brother, if gets another SB, then we might have a new ‘best Manning’.  While he was awesome in the playoffs, if you were to ask most people one year ago, (when he threw 23 ints) how good Eli was, they would probably say somewhere in the 16-32.  And if you’d ask the same people now, they’d probably put him in the top 5.  I try not to get influenced too much by the ebs and flows of popularity, so that’s why he’s at six + 3.  -2.

7 Tony Romo
Underrated by most people, though I don’t know if I should have him this high, especially considering Dallas only has one playoff victory in the last 6 years.  That aside however, I think he puts up some great numbers.  He makes the (relatively speaking) impossible seem easy, and the easy seem impossible +1.  /.

Excellent
8 Ben Roethlisberger
And once again if this were based on SB rings, then he would be among the Elite.  But imho, I think that the defense has carried him to his Super Bowl victories.  However, that shouldn’t take away too much from him, and I think he is one of the few qbs who can extend plays /.  /.

9 Phillip Rivers  And in case opposite of Eli, if this were based only on this year, then Rivers would be in the bottom half of the league.  But I base it on a little more then one season.  One of his drawbacks has been, other then being the kryptonite to Indy, the Chargers haven’t really done much in the playoffs during his tenure -2, +1.  

10 Michael Vick
Two years in a row he’s started out hot, and then faded after playing the Bears.  Some games he tries to be a pass heavy QB and other games he's too much of a run first QB.  And while some unpredictability is good, I think if he could find more of a groove, and decide what he is, then he will be a better QB -3, -3.

(R) Kurt Warner He would be a couple spots higher if this were a year or two ago, but even now I think he could still play extremely well as a starting QB for a given NFL team.

Top Half
11 Matthew Stafford  He has been a tad injury prone over the years, however he put up some great stats last year and helped get the Lions to the playoffs +5.  +1.

12 Jay Cutler I defended him when he was injured and I think I’ve kind of been proven right on that account.  Since I put a lot into how a team plays without you, and when Cutler was injured the Bears kind of stunk..  I should maybe have him higher..  But at the same time,  I don’t want to overreact, so he gets the 12 spot +1.  +3.

13  Matt Ryan  Admittedly he and the Falcons have failed in the playoffs so far in his tenure, but I think eventually they’ll break through and get a win.  He is often compared to Flacco, and the reason I have Matty Ice 11 spots above Flacco is because Mr. Ryan has a cool nickname..  No, not really, it’s actually because I consider the Ravens defense to be in the top 5 while the Falcons defense has been like a 20, -1, +3.

14 Tim Tebow Well I’ve already kind of dissected him in the Broncos recap.  I figured I shouldn’t put him much higher than this, and if this was only about last season, then I would have put him higher, but considering other QB’s have more credentials/experience, I’ll leave him at a decent 14.  +2. +3

15 Cam Newton  At the beginning of the season he was above almost everyone’s expectations, but as the season progressed he fell more along the lines I expected him to play +2.  -2

16 David Garrard (I)  This is probably one of my most ‘messed up’ picks, but I’m a fan of Garrard since he’s a Christian so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he’ll come back from his injury completely healthy.  Not applicable +-.  -1.

Starting Quarterbacks

17 Andy Dalton I was pleasantly surprised by his play, and if I had done a QB ranking before the season started, he probably would have been closer to about 26.  So for my rankings estimation probably the second (or third if you count Skelton) biggest improvement of any QB (though admittedly Dalton hadn’t played an NFL game yet) +7.  -3

18 John Skelton  Since he would have been off my rankings (if I had made them) Skelton technically didn’t make a jump in them.  And IF this was purely about numbers, then yeah, you can laugh at me.  But, since it includes more than that, you can stop now.  While his numbers were even worse then Tebow’s statistics, like Tebow, all Skelton did was win (relatively speaking in both cases) leading the Cards to a better record than I thought they could obtain +15.  I'm guessing he's going to move back to backup QB this season, so he gets a large move back -15.

19 Matt Hasselbeck – Probably within 4 years of his retirement sadly (or at least him being a starting QB, if he were to wish to mentor younger players and be a backup, then that would be quite alright). He had a decent season and kept the Titans relevant +3.  -4

20 Alex Smith – And this would probably have been my worst prediction.  I think he was finally given a QB coach for two years in a row, and the results were impressive.  While, I think that last year is going to be about the best of his career, I do think he is now going to be a manageable starter. +16.  -4

21 Vince Young (NS)
While I don’t think he’s as good as Tebow, he does also have the winning quality.  -2.  -4

22 Kyle Orton    (NNS)
While he sort of got the ‘last laugh’ against Tebow, (though oddly enough, Tebow and the Broncs made the playoffs, while he did not) imho, Orton should not have been the starting quarterback in the preseason or the regular season.  But, I still think he’s good enough to be a fair veteran starter somewhere in the league -1.  -9

23 Kevin Kolb   (NNS)
He had a bit of a disappointing season, and couldn’t lead AZ to the playoffs.  He had some injuries and inconsistency.  Overall, I thought he would be a bit better and I was disappointed with his play -3.  -1

Manageable Starting QB, But Looking for Something Better
24 Joe Flacco
(Another Eli case) I probably have Mr. Flacco way too low, but I think the D has helped carry him to success.  And through most of the season I thought talk-shows were ripping him too much.  But now that he’s made a good pressure throw against NE, which his receiver dropped, he’s suddenly supposed to be a top ten QB.  Huh?  I like him and he deserves to start, but I don’t think he’s going to be a great QB, nor does he deserve to be benched.  /.  +3

25 Matt Moore
Kind of a coming out party for Moore.  Decent season, led the Dolphins to being a top ten team for  a couple games +5.  -2

26 Joe Webb
While he is older than some other QBs, I like Joe Webb slightly more than Christian Ponder.  I kind of think of Webb as another Tebowesque QB +5, /. 

27 Carson Palmer
He didn't do a bad job coming off from his couch. And he helped lead the Raiders to relevance, for the first time in a while.  +1.  +1

28 Matt Leinart (NS)
He played a total of one half of one game, before he was injured last year.  Imho, he deserves to have  a chance to be a starting QB somewhere.  +1.  +4

29 Matt Cassel
Disappointing year for Cassel, but he was coming off a decent season and playoff spot last year so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he deserves a starting gig somewhere. -1.  -2

30 Mark Sanchez
(Another Eli case) He had a fairly typical year for him, but this year he couldn’t lead the Jets to a playoff spot.  -3.  -1

31 Christian Ponder
A learning experience for Ponder.  I thought he had flashes of brilliance, but he did help lead the Vikings to a record amount of franchise losses. -1, +4.

32 Sam Bradford
Bradford had the sophomore blues and the Rams struggled mightily because of it.  -7.  I expect him to have a very decent season.  +9

Quality Backups
33 Josh Freeman
Freeman struggled a bit in his third year, and TB was a laughing stock at the end of the year.   -6,  I originally forgot to add him... So I think he'll gain a lot of ground this year.   +13.

34 Ryan Fitzpatrick
He got Buffalo to give him a somewhat absurd contract and proceeded to stink up Buffalo with the rest of his remaining games, except against the Broncos.  However, it was said that he was playing with bruised/cracked ribs the last 7 games, so if true, then props to him for his toughness.  -3.  +4

35 Colt McCoy
I have not really seen any of the Browns games the last two years, so I do not know if McCoy has been really bad or if he has nothing to work with.  But, so far he has been a bit worse than I thought he would be. -7.  +3

36 Jake Locker
Very limited experience, but I think he will probably be a top 15 QB within 3 years.   -3.  +6

37 Matt Flynn
Limited XP, but in his limited playing time, Flynn has been quite impressive, breaking all time GB Packers marks.   +'5' since he's coming from off the board.  +3

38 Troy Smith
He did not find a home this season. -6.  -5 or so and taken off the board.

39 Rex Grossman
Played with the Redskins… Yeah, that’s all I got for you.  -2  +3

Serviceable Quarterbacks
40 John Beck      
I don't know why I ended up putting him here.  -3, -5 off board.

41Caleb Hanie
Disappointing appearance by Hanie in the last couple games for the Bears. -9.  +2

42 Tavaris Jackson
Kind of weird that he had a starting gig, but hey, Seattle has low requirements I guess.  /.  -2.

43 Senneca Wallace
Good backup QB.  -4 off board.

44 T. J. Yates
Due to injuries suffered by his teammates, he got to lead the Texans for the last couple of games, and did an alright job, I guess.  Not applicable +-.

45 Blaine Gabbert
Maybe I and a lot of other people are wrong about him… But, Jacksonville wanted him over Tebow?  Really?  -10.  I do expect Gabbert to improve quite a bit this year, all the way to around 34…+11 But even with that improvement, 34 still means he shouldn’t be starting.  

46 Keith Null
He didn't get any playing time this year. -4.  +1

47 Curtis Painter
He should consider a different profession, like painting..  Lame joke, I know.  Short appearances with the Colts. -10.  +4.

48 Kerry Collins
Very short stint with the Colts and did not play very well.   -7.  +1 Off the QB board next year. 

My rough placement of the following QB's.
Tony Tebow 1  (A fictional QB who is the combination of Tony Romo in the first 3 quarters and Tim Tebow in the fourth.)
Chase Daniels 13
Robert Griffith 16
Andrew Luck   16
Ryan Tannehill 22
Aaron Murray   30

A faster version of my QB rankings:

Elite 
1Peyton Manning 
2Tom Brady
3Drew Brees
4Aaron Rodgers 

On the verge of being Elite
5Matt Schaub
6Eli Manning
7Tony Romo

Excellent
8Michael Vick
9Phillip Rivers
10 Ben Roethlisberger
(Retired) Kurt Warner

Top half
11 Matthew Stafford
12 Jay Cutler
13  Matty Ice  
14 Tim Tebow
15 Cam Newton
16 David Garrard (I.  Injured)

Starting quarterbacks
17 Andy Dalton
18 Sam Bradford
19 Matt Hasselbeck
20 Alex Smith
21 Vince Young (NS.  Not a starter)
22 Kyle Orton    (NNS.  Not necessarily a starter)
23 Kevin Kolb   (NNS)

Manageable starting QB, but looking for something better.
24 Joe Flacco
25 Matt Moore
26 Joe Webb
27 Oakland QB
28 Matt Leinart (NS)
29 Matt Cassel
30 Mark Sanchez
31 Christian Ponder
32 John Skelton

Quality Backups
33 Josh Freeman
34 Ryan Fitzpatrick
35 Colt McCoy
36 Jake Locker
37 Matt Flynn
38 Troy Smith
39 Rex Grossman

Serviceable quarterbacks
40 John Beck      
41 Caleb Hanie
42 Tavaris Jackson
43 Senneca Wallace
44 T. J. Yates
45 Blaine Gabbert
46 Keith Null
47 Curtis Painter
48 Kerry Collins

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